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As the section covering the extended Cheesman family has grown ever larger it has threatened to take over. Therefore I have given them their own page. My direct ancestors (much less interesting!) remain here
Bell,
Cheesman/Cheeseman, Childrens/Childens, Crux,
Davies, Dymock, Hoare, Holland. Keld,
Kitchener,
Read, Snazell, Tidy/Tydy, Williams
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I am researching names connected with my family - so far the most interesting group has been the CHEESMAN family in the Brighton area of Sussex- not all are related of course, but they make up the vast majority of the three hundred-plus names on file so far!
Until recently all references were to the United Kingdom and, indeed, virtually all to Southern England, except for one member of the Cheesman family who emigrated to Australia, although I know little of him. However, I have recently been contacted by a lady who turns out to be distantly related. she has added a large and thriving American connection. This is covered in a new 'American Cheesman line' page
Out of respect for my family's privacy, all specific family references will end at 1900. however, I will allow more recent references to some of the more illustrious people.
My grandmother's name was Florence BELL Her father was Thomas BELL, born around abt. 1848 in Lockerly, Hampshire, and her mother was Charlotte READ, born abt. 1853 in Maiden Newton, Dorset, daughter of Joseph Read, from the same place. At the time of the 1881 census there were 21 people from three households living in the same house in Romsey. By 1901 grandmother had been in service, and found her way to London, while eight of her twelve siblings were still living with their parents, now in Chandler's Ford, Hampshire. The family were labourers and woodmen.
My CHEESMAN family line (from my mother) has proved the most interesting so far. I have built up a 'database' of some six hundred people named Cheesman (and variants) in the Brighton area of Sussex, although many connections are clearly not related. At last sight the database had a total of 1400 names! I am happy to swap information with other researchers. the subject is covered in an article published in the 'Sussex Family Historian', the journal of the Sussex Family History Group.
As the information has built up I have had to set up a separate page for my more indirect (often more interesting!) relatives - 'The Cheesman family of Brighton'. I have also found other interesting families in the area - these are covered very briefly in another page - The Name Cheesman in Brighton, Sussex. There are useful research links on my links page, including the Guild of One-Name Studies
The line I have traced so far starts with John. In the baptism records at Brighton, Sussex,for September 1767 he was quoted as 'John Cheesman, baseborn son of Barbara Children'. This wording probably indicates a reference to someone called Cheesman, but I it would be no more than a guess that this was the name of the father. However, Barbara seems to have come from a desperately poor family, receiving support under the poor law. John could not have succeeded in life as he did without a good education and at least some money.
John, although base born, went on to father a dozen children, and died in 1823 making provision for his family in a will which includes several houses and tracts of land. He was certainly 'in the right place at the right time' as the patronage of George IV led to the expansion of Brighton, but it seems likely that he started out at least with a good education and some money behind him. Perhaps his father - Cheesman? - was from a good family - perhaps Barbara was a servant? This would fit the facts, but is currently no more than supposition. Perhaps he was one of the younger sons of the Shoreham Cheesman family, but records are incomplete and I have found nothing to confirm this other than a hunch. There was also an Edward Cheesman living in Brighton in 1799. John's first son John died as an infant, but his next son, also John, prospered. This John also made a will, having apparently invested his money. Some of the family were to prosper, but sadly my direct line shows very limited signs of affluence!
From 1791 to 1799 the children of the family were Christened at 'North Street Duchess of Huntingdon's or dissenting Protestants' Church in Brighton. Before and after this flirtation the family church was St. Nicholas, Brighton.
The new workhouse built in 1822 was the work of a John Cheeseman, presumed to be one of our Johns, and a John Cheeseman was awarded the contract to 'scavenge' (clean the streets - a valuable source of manure) in 1818. However, there were complaints, and he lost the contract!
John's children were -
John, born 1788 before died as an infant
John, born before 1789
George, born 1791
Mary Ann, born 1793
William, born 1794
Henry, born 1797
Stephen, born 1799
Cornelius (my g-g-g-gf), born 1799 or 1801
Sarah, born before 1804
Henry, born before 1806
James, born before 1809
Eliza, born before 1822
George, the third son, known as George the elder, was a master builder, trading with his son Charles as George Cheesman and sons, and they were both very involved in the business life of Brighton.
Cornelius my great-great-great grandfather, was the seventh born, in probably 1801, and referred to himself as 'CHEESMAN CHILDENS': this incorporation of the name CHILDENS or CHILDRENS in various forms continued into living memory, although nobody in the family knew of its origins. He married Mary Maria DYMOCK by licence. This could possibly indicate that the family were Catholics. however, the next generation were married in St. Nicholas' (Church of England) Church by banns. his descendants have suggested this. more about Catholicism below. This line of the family also tends to add a central 'E' into the surname, which probably indicates nothing more than the fact that they weren't very literate.
The next Cornelius was born in 1823. I have only found one sibling - an older sister, Mary Maria. By trade he was a carpenter - a tradition which continued to the next generation. In 1851 he lived at 18, Regent Street, in the centre of Brighton (pictured left), with his wife Mary Ann, and sons Cornelius and William, and daughter Mary Ann, along with the Piper family.
The third Cornelius was born in 1844. In the 1881 census he was recorded as a journeyman carpenter, living at 22, Cheapside, Brighton. There are several separate family stories about this line the family being Catholic - click here for more information.
My grandfather, the fourth Cornelius, was born in 1870, the third of ten (the first son was named George). He worked as a merchant seaman all his working life. From about 1915 to 1940 he was a steward on the Union-Castle Line 'Edinburgh Castle', sailing between Southampton and South Africa via Madeira. This probably explains the fact that he doesn't seem to be in UK records in his early years. Cornelius enjoyed the life and hated it when he was eventually forced to retire. One of the few inherited items in the family is the sailor's chest his father made for him to take to sea. It is simple, but expertly crafted. Another is an EPNS eggcup bearing the 'Union-Castle' crest. Was it from the First Class restaurant? My guess is that he helped himself to it as a retirement souvenir!
Apart from the American connection the only known ancestor of mine known to have emigrated was a brother of Cornelius, who would have been born around 1870, and according to family memories, emigrated to Australia but died young. I have heard froma contact that there was a Reginald born about 1888, who was a railway locomotive fireman in Perth and a private in the Australian Imperial forces, who died back in Brighton in 1917.
My grandfather had two daughters, May and Vera, my mother. Sadly, both have now passed away and my branch of the name is no more.
The earliest ancestors I have traced with any certainty are George and Arabella CHILDRENS. They lived in the Hartfield area (East of Gatwick, in Sussex), and would have been born at the beginning of the 18th century, having seven children between 1729 and 1747. Barbara was the fourth, born in 1736. In 1742 the family are recorded as living in Hartfield, but supported by East Grinstead Parish under the Poorlaw. Barbara was 31 when her son John was baptised in 1767. So far I can only conjecture on the identity of the father, and the source of the given name CHEESMAN.
Barbara's son John, despite his very lowly birth, was the centre of a large and successful family. Apparently well educated, and quite wealthy, he tended to record his children's surname as 'CHEESMAN CHILDENS'. In later generations the name CHEESMAN dominated, with or without a central 'E', but with the last forename recorded as Childrens.
My great-grandfather, Edward Hoare, married Angelina CRUX in 1875. Until recently I had done little work on her line, although the name was clearly uncommon. I have now been contacted by Michael Crux who has not only traced the family back with some certainty to 1439, but has published a book 'Living in Kent, a family history'. The book mentions Angelina, and includes a delightful picture of the mill in Kent where the family lived. She was born in 1840, one of four daughters of Henry CRUX, born before 1824. I have added a page for the Crux family.
My mother and father's wedding photograph is at the top of this page.
My grandmother recounted two aspects of the HOARE family- first, we were descended from East End brewers, second, we were way back related to the HOARE family of bankers, but there was a falling out between the two sides of the family.
There seems to be some truth in the first point, in that Edward HOARE (my great grandfather) was recorded as landlord of the Railway Tavern, Deptford, in 1876. In the 1881 census he was recorded as a 'licenced victualler' living at 4, White Cross Place, Shoreditch. By a remarkable happy chance I have been sent a photograph of the Railway Tavern by a descendant of the next landlord. (click here for a more information) I have also found published reference to Hoare's beer in "The Magic of my Youth", by Arthur Calder-Marshall. Sadly, more research seems to have put an end to the idea of my family as brewers - it seems that Hoare's brewery was owned by the bankers, who bought up the old Red Lion brewery in the mid 1800s. Their logo was the Toby jug, which was kept on by Charringtons when they eventually bought the brewery and incorporated it into their chain, and is still in use.
The second, more interesting, suggestion has logic behind it, but at present looks unlikely to be true. My grandfather was Edward Henry, born 1876. In the HOARE bankers family there is an Edward Henry born 1872. Close, but not close enough! Still, who knows?
In fact, the name 'Edward Hoare' has now been used for six generations. The first was born before about 1800, and married an Elizabeth. The next was born in 1816 in Merstham, Surrey, and married Emily TYDY (spelling varies). At this time they were apparently farmers.
By 1901, Edward Henry the erstwhile brewer, was living in a large house in Pimlico (pictured right), occupation 'dealer in works of art'. The 1901 census shows that he had one servant, and apparently only owned part of the house - however, a grander life than running a pub!
In 1864 my great-grandfather, Cornelius CHEESMAN married Hariett Sarah HOLLAND. She was the daughter of William (Spencer?) HOLLAND and Emma DAVIES, who married in 1844.
The Keld family are descended from William KELD, born 1826. There are currently a large number of descendants of Ernest John KELD and Elsie SNAZELL, born at the turn of the century, who had nine children. however, by an ironic twist of fate, this line of the name looks likely to die out in a generation.
I would love to know more about Mary KITCHENER, who apparently was born in 1766, and died in 1822 in Brighton, having the married the 'baseborn' John CHEESMAN, mothered twelve children, and seen him rise to a position of considerable wealth.
Elsie Snazell, born 1897 in Portsmouth, who married Ernest John Keld, has one of the least common names I have encountered, which makes research easier. Elsie's line currently goes back to Ambrose SNAZELL, born 1836. The family originates around Essex and Suffolk.
My maternal grandmother's name was Eleanor Florence WILLIAMS - not the easiest surname to trace! She was born in 1787 and her father was John Dalby, a Thames lighterman. John died in 1882 when she was only three. Family recollections suggest that neither she nor her elder sister Harriett or Henrietta, but known as Hettie, were happy with their mothers next partner, and they were brought up in a pub on Wapping old Stairs by her father's cousin Dalby. According to the census by 1891 she was an inmate in the Ilford girls village home for Orphan Neglected and Destitute Girls.In the 1901 census grandmother was living with Dalby's family. There is a suggestion that Dalby was a LCC (London County Council) councillor, and as such there was at one time a photograph of him kneeling to King Edward. Searching IGI records for Dalby/Dolby, John, and Henrietta WILLIAMS turns up entries in St. Dunstan's, Stepney, going back to 1643, and as if that weren't enough, in 1811 a John Williams murdered seven people before committing suicide in Wapping. Clearly more work is needed!
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George Cheesman the youngerborn 1814, Brighton, Sussex married Emma Chandler1835 Children married Amelia Caroline Davies 1859 Children - died 1882 |
George Cheesman the younger was born about 1814, and baptised at St. Nicholas, Brighton in Sussex that year.
George worked alongside the business of his father George senior as designer of houses and churches from about 1838 until about 1853. his work is covered in my page covering the family building businesses.
George played an active part in the business life of Brighton. He was high Constable at a very young age, and was a Freemason for many years, although he took no office.
George was destined to lead a remakably full life. The first, and perhaps most dramatic, illustration I have found is that at the beginning of December, aged 21, he was married under Scottish law in Gretna Green to Emma Chandler. Emma was only (about) seventeen and lived in Brighton like George; her father was dead.
We can only guess what transpired when they returned home to mother, but straight after Christmas, on December 30th, George and Emma were married under English law in St. Nicholas Church, Brighton. The revd. Wagner, a customer of the family building business, officiated (normally the service was taken by the curate). The wording on the marriage record shows the careful thought that went into its writing -
Emma is 'a spinster and a minor'
they were married 'by licence with the consent of
her lawful mother and guardian her lawful father being deceased'
the words 'and
guardian' were inserted above the line as an afterthought.
George signs his
name twice - as 'George Cheesman the younger' and 'George Cheesman
Childrens'
the witnesses
are George Cheesman Childrens (George's father) and Stephen Tutt Hodd, the curate
of the Chapel Royal
Lest anyone suggests any further impropriety, George and Emma's first daughter Emma Eliza was Christened in July 1837. Census records suggest she was born in the spring of that year.
There are no pictures of Emma, but a photograph of her second daughter Isabella (below) suggests that she may have been quite a beauty.
Emma bore George another two daughters but died of cancer in 1855. George appears to have accumulated quite a lot of money, and taken what would now be called early retirement. He moved to Tunbridge Wells.
Isabella Maria Cheesman,
Amelia Caroline Davies, |
George married Amelia Caroline Davies, who was twenty one years his junior, in 1859 in Hastings. The wedding must have been quite a grand affair - the fathers of both bride and groom were recorded as 'gentleman', and one of the witnesses was the Mayor of Brighton. They had a second family, two boys and two girls. The first born, Edmund George, settled in America. There are family photographs in my 'Cheesman family in America' page. The second was Alfred Addison, who is in my family page.
George later moved to St Florence, near Tenby in South Wales, where he ran a farm. According to one reference book there was at one time a monument to him there, but it seems to have been lost - unless you know better!.
George had a substantial amount of money. He was able to look after both his families, and in particular stayed in contact with Isabella Maria, who never married, right up to his death. He invested in property in America, which was to lead his sons to set up business there.
George died in St. Florence in 1882 leaving £28,000, a very substantial amount in those days. His obituary from the local newspaper is below. His will with three codicils is still in the archives. To the modern eye it is almost impenetrable in its complexity, although its general aim was relatively simple. George made provision for his daughters by both marriages as well as his wife in the form of annuities, but he left his stables horses and cows and associated fixtures to his wife Amelia Caroline, and land he had bought in Leavenworth county, Kansas, to his oldest son Edmund George. The younger son, Alfred Addison, received a comparable cash inheritance, and the will went to great lengths to treat the family fairly. The original will made 'his friend' Frederick John GILBURD an executor with a small inheritance. However, the second codicil replaced him with Isabella Maria, George's daughter by his first marriage, who never married. The American family maintain that George was cheated out of a substantial amount of money by a close friend.
(The previous paragraph appears as the starting point for my page covering the Cheesman family in America)
from the Brighton Gazette,30 March 1882 |
DEATH OF AN OLD BRIGHTONIAN- We regret to announce the death of an old Brightonian, Mr George Cheesman, who died after a long illness at St. Florence, near Tenby, on Saturday morning, at the age of 68 years. Mr Cheesman was a well-known man in Brighton, and took active part in all the leading events in the town. He was High Constable of the town upwards of thirty years ago, and was, we believe, one of the youngest men ever appointed to the office, For many years he was connected with the eminent building firm of Cheesman and Co., but had retired therefrom for a considerable time, when he went to reside at Tunbridge Wells but subsequently removed to Tenby. His death removes of those with whom the past history of Brighton was intimately connected. |
© John Hoare 2006
updated 27/2/2006
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principal names -
Chandler,
Cheesman/Cheeseman, Childrens/Childens, Davies,
Dymock, Gilburd, Kitchener, Pocock
I am researching names connected with my family - so far the most interesting group has been the CHEESMAN family in the Brighton area of Sussex- not all are related of course, but they make up the vast majority of the three hundred-plus names on file so far!
Until recently all references were to the United Kingdom and, indeed, virtually all to Southern England, except for one member of the Cheesman family who emigrated to Australia, although I know little of him. However, I have recently been contacted by Vicki Morrison who turns out to be distantly related. she has added a large and thriving American connection. This is covered in a new 'American Cheesman line' page, and I now host her own family biography.
As the information has built up I have found other interesting Cheesman families in the Brighton area - these are covered very briefly in another page - The Name Cheesman in Brighton, Sussex. There are also useful research links on my links page, including the Guild of One-Name Studies
Out of respect for my family's privacy, all specific family references will end at 1900. however, I will allow more recent general references to some of the more illustrious people.
John Hoare December 2004
My CHEESMAN family line (from my mother) has proved the most interesting so far. I have built up a 'database' of some four hundred names in the Brighton area of Sussex, although many connections are still to be established. I am happy to swap information with other researchers. the subject is covered in an article published in the 'Sussex Family Historian', the journal of the Sussex Family History Group.
The line I have traced so far starts with John. In the baptism records at Brighton, Sussex,for September 1767 he was quoted as 'John Cheesman, baseborn son of Barbara Children'. This wording probably indicates a reference to someone called Cheesman, but I it would be no more than a guess that this was the name of the father. However, Barbara seems to have come from a desperately poor family, receiving support under the poor law. John could not have succeeded in life as he did without a good education and at least some money.
John, although base born, went on to father a dozen children, and died in 1823 making provision for his family in a will which includes several houses and tracts of land. He was certainly 'in the right place at the right time' as the patronage of George IV led to the expansion of Brighton, but it seems likely that he started out at least with a good education and some money behind him. Perhaps his father - Cheesman? - was from a good family - perhaps Barbara was a servant? This would fit the facts, but is currently no more than supposition. Perhaps he was one of the younger sons of the Shoreham Cheesman family, but records are incomplete and I have found nothing to confirm this other than a hunch. There was also an Edward Cheesman living in Brighton in 1799. John's first son John died as an infant, but his next son, also John, prospered. This John also made a will, having apparently invested his money. Some of the family were to prosper, but sadly my direct line shows very limited signs of affluence!
From 1791 to 1799 the children of the family were Christened at 'North Street Duchess of Huntingdon's or dissenting Protestants' Church in Brighton. Before and after this flirtation the family church was St. Nicholas, Brighton.
The new workhouse built in 1822 was the work of a John Cheeseman, presumed to be one of this family, and a John Cheeseman was awarded the contract to 'scavenge' (clean the streets - a valuable source of manure) in 1818. However, there were complaints, and he lost the contract!
George, the third son, known as George the elder, was a master builder, trading with his son Charles as George Cheesman and sons, and they were both very involved in the business life of Brighton. George's son George the younger also worked as a builder, often designing buildings for his father's company, but was not the son in 'George & son'. The first George also had a son Stephen, who became a ship owner. In fact, the whole family were very active in Sussex as builders and ship owners and operators. This line of research has uncovered a large amount of fascinating information and is covered in four separate pages -
THE CHEESMAN FAMILY BUILDERS,
THE CHEESMAN FAMILY SHIP OWNERS,
GEORGE
CHEESMAN SENIOR
GEORGE CHEESMAN THE YOUNGER
George the younger was a remarkable character. Whilst in his early twenties he eloped to Gretna Green just over the border in Scotland, and married Emma Chandler. Emma was from Brighton like George, aged about seventeen, and her father was dead. They returned to Brighton and were married under English law three weeks later. They had three children, all girls. The second of these, Isabella Maria, born 1841, never married and stayed closely connected with her father and his second family all her life. I have recently been sent a copy of a family photograph of George. My guess is that it was taken about 1870. Emma died in 1855 aged only 37.
Because of problems with the index of the English civil records, George's second marriage details proved elusive for many years, but now thanks to the help of a chance note from a contact on the internet, all is revealed! George re-married in 1859 to Amelia Caroline DAVIES (left), twenty one years his junior. The marriage took place in Hastings with the mayor of Brighton as one of the witnesses. George and Amelia had two sons and two daughters - Edmund George, Alfred Addison, Jessie Amelia, and Edith May. At some stage George retired from building and moved to Tunbridge Wells. The American line is covered in its own page.
Alfred Addison (pictured at an early age on the right) fought in the Boer War. It would seem from newspaper reports in the US 'Tonganoxie Mirror', based on letters to his brother Edmund George, that he was in the Cavalry: one report mentions that he had his horse shot from under him. Alfred seems to have had a lifelong love of horses - he apparently spent many years travelling between England and America in connection with the horse breeding trade. My American relatives believe that he was involved in the introduction of Arab horses to America, with his English base in Cheltenham. He eventually married at the age of 50, and seems to have settled back in that city. I understand that his son was Major George (known as 'Cheese') Cheesman, who was a very distinguished airman in the Second World War. He rose to the rank of Major in the Royal Marines and was awarded the DSO, MBE and DSC for his bravery. Although I am proud to be distantly related to this man, I don't think it would be correct to go into more detail here. His achievements are however recorded in the Fleet Air Arm archive.
(The Distinguished Service Order medal is a British award for gallantry, almost always in action. It was first awarded in 1886 and rates second only to the Victoria Cross.)
There was another George, the nephew of George the younger (b. about 1849, died after 1885), who was a solicitor in Brighton
The seventh child of John, Cornelius CHEESMAN, my great-great-great grandfather, was born in 1801, and referred to himself as 'CHEESMAN CHILDENS': this incorporation of the name CHILDENS or CHILDRENS in various forms continued into living memory, although nobody in the family knew of its origins. He married Mary Maria DYMOCK by licence.
The earliest ancestors I have traced with any certainty are George and Arabella CHILDRENS. They lived in the Hartfield area (East of Gatwick, in Sussex), and would have been born at the beginning of the 18th century, having seven children between 1729 and 1747. Barbara was the fourth, born in 1736. In 1742 the family are recorded as living in Hartfield, but supported by East Grinstead Parish under the Poorlaw. Barbara was 31 when her son John was baptised in 1767. So far I can only conjecture on the identity of the father, and the source of the given name CHEESMAN.
Barbara's son John, despite his very lowly birth, was the centre of a large and successful family. Apparently well educated, and quite wealthy, he tended to record his children's surname as 'CHEESMAN CHILDENS'. In later generations the name CHEESMAN dominated, with or without a central 'E', but with the last forename recorded as Childrens.
Frederick John Gilburd was recorded as 'brother in law' in the will of Charles Cheesman written in 1880. That makes him a relative, although I don't have enough information to know who he married. I know that he was born about 1818, son of William and Mary Gilburd, and married Mary Ann Chandler. The Cheesman and Gilburd families seem to have a close connection over many years, but it is possible that they fell out around 1882.
I would love to know more about Mary KITCHENER, who apparently was born in 1766, and died in 1822 in Brighton, having the married the 'baseborn' John CHEESMAN, mothered twelve children, and seen him rise to a position of considerable wealth.
I have no family connection with the Pocock family, but they are an old Brighton family, and appear in various situations in connection with my family. Henry co-owned ships with George the elder.